NOT a 'comfortable read' early on a Saturday morning [early dart for my stall at Granby Street Market...]
However: good to know that I am NOT a 'voice crying in the wilderness' - global warming and glacial melt are familiar ground for me, essential background reading for one of my current 'Best Sellers' ..... a warning novel called "Taking the Heat" which addresses this problem - and a possible solution ...
Many thanks for highlighting the problem, we really NEED to think hard about it!
Thanks for this article Daniel. A.nice balanced view of a threat we are avoiding looking a at. As a potential flood victim, I do what I can, but it is really in the hands of our helicopter and private jet-loving elite.
Interesting Article. Unforunately, things like this often tend to appear in the news in the middle of of a spell of decent weather, which you would naturally expect in the Summer (the weather, not the articles) so therefore most people tend to read it and basically file it away in the back of their minds. Then there's those who refuse to believe that it's even happening now, never mind likely to happen. And those who vehemently deny that such a catastophe is even a remote possibility (often very conveniently neglecting to add to their argument that they are being "weighed in" very handsomely by those who would likely suffer from actions to help ease the causes, or have taken it upon themselves to simply dismiss it because it comes from "the wrong people".
As for those who are moaning about the likes of the sea wall spoiling their view, perhaps they'd be happier if it never existed, and they had to spend every winter having to make plans to live upstairs in the house and constantly battling with the insurance companies, and constantly replacing furniture, carpets, and various other household goods, like the poor bastards in parts of Yorkshire and Derbyshire have to do.
Everton FC have enough on their plate at the moment ,with financial issues and near relegation.
But they have invested in a stadium on the waterfront which could be inundated if sea level rises. They are going to have to make plans for a third stadium inland for future Evertonians not yet born! When Liverpool and Wirral Waters become a literal description of the area!
Thirty years ago our house in Formby flooded after a severe thunderstorm along with all the other houses in our neighbourhood. Subsequent council investigation found that a neighbour had filled in the storm ditch at the end of their garden, creating the dam that subsequently flooded us.
We moved as soon as the storm ditch had been reinstated and ever since have lived on the side of hill !
Formby and Hightown rely on pumps on the Alt to prevent flooding if a storm hits at the same time as high tide.
Litherland also needed pumps as at high tide coupled with heavy rain.
The sewers would back up and burst the manhole frames and covers up into the air with big volumes of seawater and sewage gushing out into Akenside Street and Bridge Road near the Train station at Seaforth, hence the massive Rimrose brook drainage scheme with huge water pumps once housed at the bottom of Hapsford road to do exactly the same job. I am not sure how the sewerage system is managed nowadays as the Litherland pumping station was demolished years ago.🤔
An interesting read. it reminds me of articles that appeared in the Echo when it was a proper paper in the late 80's early 90. There was one map that was printed from the EA that showed, essentially the whole of Liverpool underwater by 2020 (this was in 1990 approx. somewhere around that time).
You then get the history academics coming out with the point that during the 14th -16th century the mean temperature was anything up to 6 degrees higher that it is now. The EA reasons to this was to say they did not have records going back that far. But if the Historians are making such a claim their must be a record somewhere surly and then of course you get the problem of the East Anglia university climate data being falsified (2009) as reported in the guardian and other papers . If you search for this 'Climatic Research Unit email controversy' you will get a reasonable wikki, but of course being wikki its up to you want you want to believe . This is the URL for the Guardian link. "https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-emails-climate-jones-chinese".
You pay your money and take your chance.
Do I believe in climate change yes. I also think climate change has been going on since year one and the that was speeded up by the Industrial revolution. DO i think there is anything we can do about it. Possibly slow it down but we will never stop it. Keep in mind it is not that long ago vegetarians were suggesting slaughtering all live stock as they emitted so much CO2 and where a prime source for Global warming and that was picked up as true by the Scientific community
I am of an age where I am skiing down hill faster and faster each year. From a personnel view the weather has not really changed since I was a wee boy in the early 60's . I remember the long hot summers and the cold winters and every now and then snow.....even to the point of having water bowsers in the street and having to queue with buckets.
My worry is this. Because there is no unified voice on this topic nothing will be done except in dribs and drabs. We do need to start looking for clean energy be that wind, water (which according to this article will not be short supply) and even atomic. We need to look at transport and promote public transport. More electric trans and buses (but how are you to generate the electricity) more efforts in recycling and reclaiming water (water desalination for none drinking purposes sounds a good idea especially for us) but I suspect that until a major disaster occurs and the scientific community are forced to get behind one theory with the politicians we will carry on as we are.
There is a quote from the film "Day After tomorrow" which i think is really good. The actors are at a conference in India talking about Climate Change, early in the film and the vice president of the US of A. It goes like this
Start----
Jack Hall: Our climate is fragile. At the rate we're polluting the environment and burning fossil fuels, the ice caps will soon disappear.
Vice President Becker: Professor Hall, our economy is every bit as fragile as the environment. Perhaps you should keep that in mind before making sensationalist claims.
Jack Hall: Well, the last chunk of ice that broke off was the size of the state of Rhode Island. Some people might call that pretty sensational.
--End
I suspect that until something sensational happens nothing of a joined up nature will occur
Thanks Daniel, excellent but worrying article about something I consider more regularly these days. Especially when I hear or read about climate change. I would definitely be affected but hopefully I won’t be here by then. A bit of a selfish thought, I know, but I try to do as much as I can, pity more don’t.
Thanks Carolyn. It feels like to reverse the emissions we'll need more than just individual decisions, but for governments to do more to make the green choice the easy choice
FAO: Daniel Timms
NOT a 'comfortable read' early on a Saturday morning [early dart for my stall at Granby Street Market...]
However: good to know that I am NOT a 'voice crying in the wilderness' - global warming and glacial melt are familiar ground for me, essential background reading for one of my current 'Best Sellers' ..... a warning novel called "Taking the Heat" which addresses this problem - and a possible solution ...
Many thanks for highlighting the problem, we really NEED to think hard about it!
Thanks! Yes, it's not normally how you'd want to kick off the weekend, but I'm with you - time to stop ignoring it.
Thanks for this article Daniel. A.nice balanced view of a threat we are avoiding looking a at. As a potential flood victim, I do what I can, but it is really in the hands of our helicopter and private jet-loving elite.
Thanks Mick. Yes - it feels like we're fairly powerless. Political pressure is probably more important than personal action
What about the Northern Area of Sefton? including Hightown,Formby,Freshfield ,Ainsdale, Birkdale and Southport including Meols and Crossens areas etc?
Merseyside doesn’t stop at Crosby does it?
Apologies, my error. You can search the data yourself here: https://ss2.climatecentral.org/#12/53.4084/-2.9916?show=satellite&projections=0-K14_RCP85-SLR&level=5&unit=feet&pois=hide
Interesting Article. Unforunately, things like this often tend to appear in the news in the middle of of a spell of decent weather, which you would naturally expect in the Summer (the weather, not the articles) so therefore most people tend to read it and basically file it away in the back of their minds. Then there's those who refuse to believe that it's even happening now, never mind likely to happen. And those who vehemently deny that such a catastophe is even a remote possibility (often very conveniently neglecting to add to their argument that they are being "weighed in" very handsomely by those who would likely suffer from actions to help ease the causes, or have taken it upon themselves to simply dismiss it because it comes from "the wrong people".
As for those who are moaning about the likes of the sea wall spoiling their view, perhaps they'd be happier if it never existed, and they had to spend every winter having to make plans to live upstairs in the house and constantly battling with the insurance companies, and constantly replacing furniture, carpets, and various other household goods, like the poor bastards in parts of Yorkshire and Derbyshire have to do.
Poor “bastards” sad description that Baz mate, 🥲
Everton FC have enough on their plate at the moment ,with financial issues and near relegation.
But they have invested in a stadium on the waterfront which could be inundated if sea level rises. They are going to have to make plans for a third stadium inland for future Evertonians not yet born! When Liverpool and Wirral Waters become a literal description of the area!
Yes - although it might work out well for Liverpudlians if they end up picking up the tab for new sea walls to protect said investment!
Thirty years ago our house in Formby flooded after a severe thunderstorm along with all the other houses in our neighbourhood. Subsequent council investigation found that a neighbour had filled in the storm ditch at the end of their garden, creating the dam that subsequently flooded us.
We moved as soon as the storm ditch had been reinstated and ever since have lived on the side of hill !
Formby and Hightown rely on pumps on the Alt to prevent flooding if a storm hits at the same time as high tide.
Litherland also needed pumps as at high tide coupled with heavy rain.
The sewers would back up and burst the manhole frames and covers up into the air with big volumes of seawater and sewage gushing out into Akenside Street and Bridge Road near the Train station at Seaforth, hence the massive Rimrose brook drainage scheme with huge water pumps once housed at the bottom of Hapsford road to do exactly the same job. I am not sure how the sewerage system is managed nowadays as the Litherland pumping station was demolished years ago.🤔
Great article - thank you for writing it
Thanks Jane, glad you liked it
An interesting read. it reminds me of articles that appeared in the Echo when it was a proper paper in the late 80's early 90. There was one map that was printed from the EA that showed, essentially the whole of Liverpool underwater by 2020 (this was in 1990 approx. somewhere around that time).
You then get the history academics coming out with the point that during the 14th -16th century the mean temperature was anything up to 6 degrees higher that it is now. The EA reasons to this was to say they did not have records going back that far. But if the Historians are making such a claim their must be a record somewhere surly and then of course you get the problem of the East Anglia university climate data being falsified (2009) as reported in the guardian and other papers . If you search for this 'Climatic Research Unit email controversy' you will get a reasonable wikki, but of course being wikki its up to you want you want to believe . This is the URL for the Guardian link. "https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-emails-climate-jones-chinese".
You pay your money and take your chance.
Do I believe in climate change yes. I also think climate change has been going on since year one and the that was speeded up by the Industrial revolution. DO i think there is anything we can do about it. Possibly slow it down but we will never stop it. Keep in mind it is not that long ago vegetarians were suggesting slaughtering all live stock as they emitted so much CO2 and where a prime source for Global warming and that was picked up as true by the Scientific community
I am of an age where I am skiing down hill faster and faster each year. From a personnel view the weather has not really changed since I was a wee boy in the early 60's . I remember the long hot summers and the cold winters and every now and then snow.....even to the point of having water bowsers in the street and having to queue with buckets.
My worry is this. Because there is no unified voice on this topic nothing will be done except in dribs and drabs. We do need to start looking for clean energy be that wind, water (which according to this article will not be short supply) and even atomic. We need to look at transport and promote public transport. More electric trans and buses (but how are you to generate the electricity) more efforts in recycling and reclaiming water (water desalination for none drinking purposes sounds a good idea especially for us) but I suspect that until a major disaster occurs and the scientific community are forced to get behind one theory with the politicians we will carry on as we are.
There is a quote from the film "Day After tomorrow" which i think is really good. The actors are at a conference in India talking about Climate Change, early in the film and the vice president of the US of A. It goes like this
Start----
Jack Hall: Our climate is fragile. At the rate we're polluting the environment and burning fossil fuels, the ice caps will soon disappear.
Vice President Becker: Professor Hall, our economy is every bit as fragile as the environment. Perhaps you should keep that in mind before making sensationalist claims.
Jack Hall: Well, the last chunk of ice that broke off was the size of the state of Rhode Island. Some people might call that pretty sensational.
--End
I suspect that until something sensational happens nothing of a joined up nature will occur
Higher Tranmere OK, Lower Tranmere not so much?
That seems to be the picture for the 30m sea level rise - with the waters reaching part way up Mersey Park...
Thanks Daniel, excellent but worrying article about something I consider more regularly these days. Especially when I hear or read about climate change. I would definitely be affected but hopefully I won’t be here by then. A bit of a selfish thought, I know, but I try to do as much as I can, pity more don’t.
Thanks Carolyn. It feels like to reverse the emissions we'll need more than just individual decisions, but for governments to do more to make the green choice the easy choice